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Which is better in the UK MCE2005 or Vista?
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Paul Cahill
2007-12-04 09:01:27 UTC
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Not a UK specific question but I'd like the British view.

Regards
Paul
John Lockwood
2007-12-04 13:24:11 UTC
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Post by Paul Cahill
Not a UK specific question but I'd like the British view.
Regards
Paul
If you are starting from scratch then you may as well go for Vista. If you
already have MCE 2005 (like me) then I personally see zero point spending a
lot of money to upgrade for zero new features, a new user interface, and one
or two bug fixes.

[In other words, for the UK they are almost equally bad.]

With regards to your other questions, Microsoft do not officially support
any of the following (along with others I won't bother to list)

DVB-C (cable)
DVB-S (satellite in standard resolution)
DVB-S2 (HDTV via satellite)
DVB subtitles (for DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S, or DVB-S2)
DVB teletext
MHEG5 interactive services (the red button)

They don't even provide UK support for MSN Remote Record for goodness sake!

Note: As Microsoft do not support (yet) DVB subtitles AT ALL, they are
currently discriminating against the hard of hearing. Remember analogue TV
has ALREADY been turned off in parts of the UK and Europe.

Users and even third party developers have become so fed up with the almost
total lack of progress from Microsoft that they have come up with their own
solutions. It is therefore possible to get a DVB-C or DVB-S tuner and use it
with MCE 2005 or Vista (they 'pretend' to be a DVB-T tuner which is
supported by Microsoft).

See http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319927

Basically for DVB-S the current best solution involves getting the FireDTV
(it has the best drivers).

Allegedly Microsoft are working on an update for Vista Media Center which
will add some or all of the following

DVB-C (cable)
DVB-S (satellite in standard resolution)
DVB-S2 (HDTV via satellite)
DVB subtitles
DVB teletext
MHEG5 interactive services (the red button)

This seems to be well behind schedule (quel surprise) but might just stagger
out by the end of 2008.

With regards to Microsoft Media Center controlling a 'real' Sky box. The
official way involves using a Microsoft IR emitter which is never going to
be 100% reliable. You could look at this product instead
http://www.skyeye.force9.co.uk/skyeyem.htm which does not use Infra-Red it
actually uses the same system as the Sky Magic Eye remote extenders.

With regards to Sky Anytime. What a complete and utter waste of time. It is
ghastly, it is so burdened by DRM as to be practically unusable. I was
mainly interested in using it to access SkyOne shows when travelling but
while many movies can be got free via Sky Anytime, nearly all the SkyOne
shows are only available for an additional fee (on top of your existing Sky
contract).

Note: Currently the even more ghastly BBC iPlayer uses the same underlying
software as Sky Anytime.

Note: Also Sky Anytime and BBC iPlayer will (whether you like it or not) use
your outgoing bandwidth to send programs you have downloaded to other users.
If you have a capped Internet account then you could run out of your allowed
usage.

Note: The BBC iPlayer does not work in Vista, and as the BBC have announced
a new system called (at the moment) Kangeroo it may well be that iPlayer
will NEVER work in Vista. Likewise last I heard from Sky was that Sky
Anytime also did not work in Vista.

My theory for the choice of the name Kangeroo for the new BBC, ITV and
Channel4 download service are the following (modified) lyrics from the Rolf
Harris song...

Tie me Kangeroo down (with DRM) sport.
Tie me Kangeroo down (with DRM) sport.
Sasha Bublyk
2007-12-10 07:51:42 UTC
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Hi,
There is a product (at www.dvbsbridge.com) which will give you a possibility
to watch DVB-S channels with MCE. Looks like it supports DVB-C too.

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Regards
Sasha Bublyk
Post by John Lockwood
With regards to your other questions, Microsoft do not officially support
any of the following (along with others I won't bother to list)
DVB-C (cable)
DVB-S (satellite in standard resolution)
DVB-S2 (HDTV via satellite)
DVB subtitles (for DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S, or DVB-S2)
DVB teletext
MHEG5 interactive services (the red button)
Buellpilot
2007-12-06 20:52:00 UTC
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Vista...

I was a UK MCE2005 user for a few years...and while the new Vista UI
took a while to get used to... my whole system is much more stable under
Vista
than it was under MCE2005... things like standby and resume to record just
work
after a Vista install, whereas under MCE2005 I had to mess with registry
settings etc
Post by Paul Cahill
Not a UK specific question but I'd like the British view.
Regards
Paul
Rich
2008-02-10 09:17:31 UTC
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I put Vista on my MediaCenter as soon as it came out and was disappointed
with the lack of new features, and didn't like the new UI. Also my hardware
wasn't powerful enough to get the best of Vista so I reverted back to MCE
2005. I'm running an old Radeon 9200SE Gfx card that handles MCE2005 fine,
but it just wasn't powerful enough for Vista.

There's not much in it between MCE2005 & Vista MCE, I'd say the choice is
down to which UI you prefer.
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Rich

http://www.badangling.com
...talking pollocks since 1996
Post by Paul Cahill
Not a UK specific question but I'd like the British view.
Regards
Paul
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